Leading when Life Feels Like a Messy
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Ever feel like your life is too messy to lead anything meaningful? You’re not alone.
In today’s raw and timely episode, Jim Burgoon gets honest about what it really looks like to lead, create, and build when your behind-the-scenes life feels like chaos. From chronic illness and burnout to self-doubt and spiritual fatigue, Jim unpacks why your imperfections don’t disqualify your mission—they may actually refine it.
This one is for the leader who’s still healing. The entrepreneur who’s still battling. The creative who’s still showing up even when it hurts.
“God isn’t waiting for your life to be polished before He puts purpose on your shoulders.”
🔑 Episode Highlights:
- Why your mess doesn’t disqualify your mission
- The trap of “performance perfectionism” in Christian entrepreneurship
- Jim’s personal story of podcasting through a chronic illness flare
- The biblical truth: God moves in the middle, not after the mess is cleaned up
- What to do when your emotions tell you to quit
- Reframing leadership as alignment over adrenaline
- Encouragement for leading in weakness, not pretending to be whole
🙌 Scripture Anchors:
- Galatians 6:9 — “Let us not grow weary in doing good...”
- Judges 6 — The story of Gideon, called while hiding
- Exodus 3 — God meets Moses in exile
- Daniel 3 — The fourth man in the fire (God shows up in the middle)
✨ Faith-Driven Application:
- You’re not too broken to be used by God
- You don’t need to wait until you’re “ready” to start
- Biblical leaders led from the middle of their battles—not after the victory parade
- It’s okay to rest. But don’t quit what God has called you to.
🧭 Multipassionate Moment:
If you’re a creative with too many ideas and not enough energy—this episode reminds you that clarity doesn’t come from control—it comes from trust. Lead what you can, with what you have, from where you are.
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Transcript
If you have ever looked at your life and thought, how can I show up powerfully?
Speaker A:How can I create?
Speaker A:How can I be the entrepreneur that God called me to when behind the scenes my life is a mess?
Speaker A:And something I've learned over the years is that God doesn't wait for you to put your life together before he puts his purpose on your shoulders.
Speaker A:So with that all being said, let's dive in today's episode.
Speaker B:Welcome to Online Business for Christian Creatives, the show that helps you build a business that honors God, fuels your creativity and actually pays the bills.
Speaker B:I'm your host, Jim Burgoon, leadership coach, Faith first, entrepreneur, and a guy who's made just about every mistake so you don't have to let's get into it.
Speaker A:Welcome back to the show where we're here to speak to the Christ centered leader, creator and entrepreneur who is building something of importance, something of impact, even if it's messy.
Speaker A:And today you may be asking the question, can I still lead the mission God has put on my heart when I feel so unqualified, when I feel so overwhelmed, when I just feel broken?
Speaker A:Well, I'm here to tell you, yes, you can.
Speaker A:Because leading when it feels like a mess is exactly where we see God showing up the most.
Speaker A:Because let's be honest, my fellow Christ centered leaderpreneurs and creators and you're not always going to live on the mountaintop.
Speaker A:Now I know we want to.
Speaker A:I know we want every experience to be a mountaintop experience.
Speaker A:But that's not where we live.
Speaker A:That is not where we see God the most.
Speaker A:In fact, most of your leading, most of your creating, most of where you're going to do your mission will be on the middle grounds, will be in the place of the margins.
Speaker A:You know, you're going to be feeling business stress, you're going to have marital strain, you're going to have home struggles.
Speaker A:Maybe you have an illness like I do.
Speaker A:We'll unpack some of that today.
Speaker A:There's, there's going to be sleepless nights, there's going to be inner battles.
Speaker A:There's going to be times where you're going to pray and you're going to continue to pray, hoping for breakthrough.
Speaker A:But it may take a while for that breakthrough to come.
Speaker A:These are the places where the war is at the strongest, you know, because we do need to speak on spiritual warfare.
Speaker A:These are the places where you are going to make the most impact and these are going to be the places where you feel the most underqualified.
Speaker A:But guess what?
Speaker A:People are looking at you for the impact you bring for the story you have.
Speaker A:Because remember, you may, you and I may not be perfect.
Speaker A:As a matter of fact, I'm going to go ahead and say we are not perfect, but we serve a perfect God.
Speaker A:And it's in the story of how God is bringing you through, breaking you through, pushing you further, keeping you sustained, when you just want to give up.
Speaker A:That's the stories of hope, that's the stories of breakthrough that people need to see from both you and I.
Speaker A:If they're going to do this thing called life, if they're going to build whatever God's called them to build, they need to see God working in other people's lives.
Speaker A:Not the polished version, not the perfected version, but the active version where God is working in con, in tandem, in partnership with you and I.
Speaker A:As we go through stuff, we see the very nature and letters God is writing to the rest of the world stamped on us as we move forward.
Speaker A:And I know there's a lot of times where we think to ourselves, am I too messy to be a leader?
Speaker A:Am I too broken to be an entrepreneur?
Speaker A:Can I really create from this place of just not knowing what to do, feeling so unqualified?
Speaker A:But let's flip the script.
Speaker A:What if your mess isn't meant to disqualify you, but to refine you?
Speaker A:What if your mess isn't really meant to just derail you?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:What if this is the very thing that God is using to build you?
Speaker A:The very things that are at the core of why we need to go through these to become the person that God wants us to become, the creator, entrepreneur, leader that God has been trying to deter, trying to make you into, but we've been running from it because we try to be busy over, trying to be faithful.
Speaker A:And in the midst of running, God's like, hold on, you've got a mess and you've got a challenge.
Speaker A:Because this will end up being your greatest message.
Speaker A:But before it becomes your greatest message, I've got to throw you through the refiner's fire so that it becomes your greatest challenge.
Speaker A:Because remember, when we're in the fire, God is purifying, God is strengthening us.
Speaker A:So that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That thing that we're going through, that challenge, that feeling unqualified, becomes the greatest message that God has written on our hearts.
Speaker A:So as we dive into this episode, I really want to start off by telling you, you have the permission to be human.
Speaker A:This is our call out to be imperfect, doing something with a perfect God.
Speaker A:This is us saying we're not a fraud because we're struggling.
Speaker A:I think we need to hear that more often because in, when you're in entrepreneurship and you read all of these things on social media, you see all these people that their challenge or whatever they're going through is never really, it's very vague, it's very general, that never really dives into what they're really going through.
Speaker A:They're just like, why went through something hard so that I could show up and sell something to you?
Speaker A:And we get this almost negating of, okay, I don't care what did you go through?
Speaker A:But they don't want to show you what's going through because they don't want to be human enough to show weakness.
Speaker A:Because I was once told by a mentor that if show your weakness, nobody buys from you.
Speaker A:And then I'm really in the midst of now saying, I want you to see my weakness and I want you to see how I'm working through it so that you can gain the places that I've gained, that you can win in the places I've win, so that I can shorten and collapse that lifespan of, you know, trials and tribulations to a shorter period of time because I've been through the hardships, I've been through the things that you're trying to get to.
Speaker A:So I think we do a disservice as a Christ follower.
Speaker A:You know, we, we shouldn't follow the world.
Speaker A:We do a disserv service to the people we're trying to reach.
Speaker A:When we try to be too perfect, too polished, that we think our struggles are disqualifying us.
Speaker A:No, my friend, your struggle is the very thing that's qualifying you for the people you're meant to reach.
Speaker A:And there's this place in us where we want to be cultural.
Speaker A:But I'm going to tell you the honest truth.
Speaker A:You're not called to be cultural, you're called to be biblical.
Speaker A:And as a Christ following Christian, you are called to the life of the Bible.
Speaker A:You're called to be, you know, in Peter, it talks about, you know, being countercultural.
Speaker A:And if you're going to mimic or mirror the culture, then you're not being biblical.
Speaker A:You have to stand out.
Speaker A:So if everybody's doing it, you may want to ask yourself, is this what God wants me to be doing?
Speaker A:And we need to bring back to the biblical truths.
Speaker A:Jesus had tears in his eyes.
Speaker A:You know, the shortest Bible verse, Jesus wept.
Speaker A:David led through fear, Paul led through chains.
Speaker A:You know, there was all of these Bible people that Led in these really tough situations, you know, David and the lions, then Shad, Shadrach, and I can never say their names.
Speaker A:I'm always like, you know, the three guys in the fernery, the, the fire.
Speaker A:And in the fire there was a fourth.
Speaker A:That's in the book of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.
Speaker A:There you go, I said it right, Cool.
Speaker A:Anyway, but that's.
Speaker A:They were in a furnace when God showed up.
Speaker A:But nobody led from a place of completely healed, Completely, you know, apart from any struggles.
Speaker A:They led in the midst of their struggles, they led in the midst of their challenges.
Speaker A:And God showed up powerfully because they showed up available because I want you to think about this.
Speaker A:If God only used clean and composed, if God only used healed and moving forward, then you and I would never make the cut.
Speaker A:We would never make the cuts for usable people in the kingdom of God if that was all that God's looking for.
Speaker A:I oftentimes says like, I feel so broken and under qualified for even a third of what God calls me to and where who I'm able to impact.
Speaker A:But even in that brokenness, I see so much life change and I see so much transformation because I show up with the message God put in me that people draw to that message.
Speaker A:Because remember, we're drawing them to Christ, not ourselves.
Speaker A:And, and in that, through tears, through pain, through a lot of different challenges, if we show up, guess what?
Speaker A:We can be used by God in great ways.
Speaker A:So I would just almost encourage you to quit telling yourselves you're not good enough.
Speaker A:Quit telling yourselves that you can't do this.
Speaker A:Quit telling yourselves all of these lies.
Speaker A:Just say to yourselves, God called me.
Speaker A:I'm going to show up and we'll just see what happens.
Speaker A:Because the reality of it is you're not leading from a hypocritical place.
Speaker A:You're leading from a place of courage.
Speaker A:You're saying I'm got all these things going on that I'm just going to show up.
Speaker A:That's courage, guys.
Speaker A:To call it what it is.
Speaker A:Be encouraged, my friends, because you're.
Speaker A:You're doing it from a place of courage because you're doing it afraid you're doing it in spite of the imposter syndrome.
Speaker A:What if people found out?
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker A:Let's hope they do, because you're a lot better than you think you are.
Speaker A:So the second thing we have to do is we have to make sure that we're putting our mission over our mood.
Speaker A:Let's just face it, guys, we could Be moody.
Speaker A:We could be absolutely moody.
Speaker A:And we think that our feelings are what dictate our truth.
Speaker A:And that's not the case.
Speaker A:Truth and feelings aren't the same thing.
Speaker A:Your truth can be true no matter how much it feels bad, no matter how much it throws you off.
Speaker A:Truth is truth.
Speaker A:I mean, if you think about it, Jesus says, I am the way, the truth and the life.
Speaker A:But if you get to a place when he says I am the truth, Christ is living.
Speaker A:So we understand that truth is the living Christ.
Speaker A:It's the embodiment of, of who Christ is.
Speaker A:So the reality of it is facts don't care about your feelings.
Speaker A:Truth is an interest in how you perceive or feel it.
Speaker A:What truth does is truth shows up regardless of what you feel.
Speaker A:So we've got to understand that it's okay to feel.
Speaker A:Your feelings are valid.
Speaker A:But your feelings should never over overshadow what the truth is and should never overshadow the word.
Speaker A:It should never overshadow what you're here to do.
Speaker A:Because the other thing we have to understand is, is feelings change.
Speaker A:Number one is they change often.
Speaker A:They change really often.
Speaker A:Number two is that we put more emphasis on a feeling than we should.
Speaker A:And we've got to back off the feeling and understand that your feeling is fleeting.
Speaker A:It is going to change.
Speaker A:A lot of times what you feel is just the interpretation of the truth that you ex.
Speaker A:You experience.
Speaker A:And because of that, you, your feelings can be wrong.
Speaker A:And I know there's got to be some really major maturity because people don't want to hear that your feelings are wrong.
Speaker A:They may be valid, but they may not be right.
Speaker A:So let's get to that place.
Speaker A:And the other part of that is your feelings aren't your morality.
Speaker A:Like we can't, you know, get into this conversations of morality and ethics based on what you feel.
Speaker A:It has to be based on truth.
Speaker A:Now, as a Christian, we believe the truth is the Bible.
Speaker A:Now let's dive into this a little bit because there's part of you that your feelings are screaming to you quit.
Speaker A:Your feelings are screaming to you because you have no energy.
Speaker A:Your feelings are screaming to you not to get out of bed.
Speaker A:Your feelings are screaming to you that every bone in your body is telling you're not cut out for this.
Speaker A:But that's not correct.
Speaker A:If God's called you to it, you are cut out for it.
Speaker A:Now you may not be the person that can handle it.
Speaker A:Yet when Gideon was called, he wasn't the person to be able to handle it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:God found Gideon in A wine press.
Speaker A:And we know that the threshing floor in the wine presses.
Speaker A:He was cowarding in there, trying to hide and save his life.
Speaker A:And yet he, God showed up and said mighty man of valor to Gideon.
Speaker A:Listen, when God shows up in your life and says, mighty man of valor or mighty woman of valor, it doesn't mean that's who you are now.
Speaker A:It means that God is speaking to a future reality of you, that he's going to put you through the threshing floor to get you there there.
Speaker A:He's going to put you through the refiner's fire to get you to that place.
Speaker A:But you have to go through the challenge to get to the promise.
Speaker A:And then this is where it gets into the rubber meets the road.
Speaker A:Especially for Christ followers.
Speaker A:Obedience is not a feeling, it's a decision.
Speaker A:Obedience is not a feeling, it's a decision.
Speaker A:It's a place where if God's called me to it, then I decide to do it every day, regardless of how I feel.
Speaker A:Let me give you a story even leading up to doing this episode.
Speaker A:Last week, I had a flare, a major flare.
Speaker A:Like, I have chronic illness.
Speaker A:I don't know what flavor of chronic illness I have because the doctors have been gaslighting me for 15 years.
Speaker A:Only recently did I have an ANA positive, which says something I've been telling them for 15 years I've got a problem and I've got a strong family history and genetics of said problem.
Speaker A:But it's been, it's been this whole, your blood work doesn't show.
Speaker A:So therefore we won't say.
Speaker A:But here's the deal.
Speaker A:Just because the blood work doesn't show it yet doesn't mean it won't.
Speaker A:But I experienced the symptoms of it, and the symptoms are getting worse.
Speaker A:So last week I have this major flare.
Speaker A:I don't want to get out of bed.
Speaker A:Most days I stayed in bed.
Speaker A:There was some point of last week, I think there was three or four days where I almost went to the er.
Speaker A:Now I didn't, but I probably should have.
Speaker A:But I chose to ride out certain things and that's a different conversation.
Speaker A:But that's how the level of what I was experiencing, the level what I was feeling.
Speaker A:And I almost did not record this episode for this week.
Speaker A:But I know that God's called me to podcast what God's called me to speak, to communicate.
Speaker A:Now, here's the thing, guys.
Speaker A:There were a lot of times where I could not physically do anything last week.
Speaker A:But this week, today was actually the first day today I'M recording this Monday.
Speaker A:This should go out on Tuesday the 29th.
Speaker A:I'm recording this on the 28th.
Speaker A:That today I had a break where my flared is basically low, like I'm not flaring anymore.
Speaker A:And I had enough energy to record this.
Speaker A:And I want you to understand this particular thing.
Speaker A:Even if I put my recording out a day late, I will record every week, regardless of my illness.
Speaker A:The, the.
Speaker A:The goal is to record four or five episodes.
Speaker A:That way if I have a major flare, it doesn't miss.
Speaker A:But here's what it is.
Speaker A:I didn't have the ability to do that over the last couple months because of the way my illness is, but that's where it is.
Speaker A:I have to make the decision in health.
Speaker A:I'm doing this.
Speaker A:I'm doing this because this is what God's called me to.
Speaker A:But I'm also taking care of my body.
Speaker A:I rest it for multiple hours before recording.
Speaker A:But God isn't looking for me to.
Speaker A:To bow out and hit the bell and quit because my mess is too big.
Speaker A:He's saying, can you trust me in the places of the mess in order to get the message out.
Speaker A:And I trust them.
Speaker A:And to end through it all, I trust them.
Speaker A:And today I'm able to record now, I couldn't have predicted this.
Speaker A:I couldn't have said, oh, I will record on Tuesday, regardless.
Speaker A:No, I'm going to say, God, I trust you.
Speaker A:And today I'm not flaring.
Speaker A:And here I am recording for you.
Speaker A:So we think leadership is about momentum, but it's not.
Speaker A:It's about alignment.
Speaker A:You're aligning what you're called to.
Speaker A:You're aligning to God's voice.
Speaker A:You're aligning your values, you're aligning your assignment.
Speaker A:And you're going into windows of opportunity.
Speaker A:And if you're dealing with some chronic illness, autoimmune, like I am, then you go into the places, the times when you feel better.
Speaker A:You record the times you don't.
Speaker A:You rest and take care of your body.
Speaker A:If you're a place of strong emotional or mental challenges, illnesses and things, you record when you're in stable condition and you take a rest when you're not.
Speaker A:Find the ebbs and flows in the real and the rhythm.
Speaker A:But if you're called, nothing we go through is ever an excuse never to show up for our call.
Speaker A:We just have to show up differently.
Speaker A:We don't show up like the world does.
Speaker A:We ask holy Spirit, how should I show up?
Speaker A:Because this is about not.
Speaker A:This isn't about adrenaline.
Speaker A:This isn't about hustle, this isn't about hype.
Speaker A:It's saying that God spoke.
Speaker A:I trust him.
Speaker A:I'm going to show up irregardless of the mess that's going on inside or behind the scenes.
Speaker A:Because it comes down to just being faithful, remember?
Speaker A:Because we're trying to be faithful and we're trying to do faithfulness in the midst of this amazing mess, this life.
Speaker A:Call.
Speaker A:When life lives, when life.
Speaker A:We're gonna.
Speaker A:We're still gonna just trust God and show up.
Speaker A:And if you wait until everything is calm, if you wait until everything is okay before you act on your calling, you'll miss the moment, you'll miss the window, and then you're more.
Speaker A:You live in.
Speaker A:I like to call this.
Speaker A:You live in the place of apology, not in the place of action.
Speaker A:We want to be proactive and do it when we're able, in the windows of opportunity we're given.
Speaker A:So we're not living in the places of always apologizing for what God's called us to.
Speaker A:No, we're showing up.
Speaker A:And even if you are recording three, four, five, six, seven weeks out, you're still showing up powerfully.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because you're living in faithfulness and you're looking for windows, opportunity when you're stable and healthy and healing to be able to do it, not when you're whole.
Speaker A:Because if we wait it until we're completely healed, we would never do anything.
Speaker A:Matter of fact, we would never be able to show up because we would be disqualified if we were completely okay.
Speaker A:Or rather, if we were completely waiting to be okay.
Speaker A:It's okay not to be perfect and it's okay to show up broken.
Speaker A:It is not okay to quit unless God tells you it's time to move somewhere else.
Speaker A:So you just got to lead from where you are.
Speaker A:You got to lead from a place of who you are.
Speaker A:And even if it does, even if you don't feel like an entrepreneur, you get up and you.
Speaker A:You are one, so you create.
Speaker A:You don't feel like a leader.
Speaker A:You are one, so you lead.
Speaker A:You don't feel like you're going to be able to pour out.
Speaker A:You show up and you do what you can continually fill your cup up so you're never pouring from an empty cup.
Speaker A:But show up, be faithful, and do all that God's called you to, no more, no less.
Speaker A:And I promise you that God will show up with you in tandem and you will have everything you need and the time you need it, because it's the time he's called you to it.
Speaker A:And as we close this episode out, I want to give you some.
Speaker A:Some good biblical thought process here is God moves in the middle.
Speaker A:We talked about that.
Speaker A:But so let's think about this.
Speaker A:And these are just examples.
Speaker A:Moses didn't get therapy and speaking coaches before he went in.
Speaker A:I mean, we look at Moses and Moses was standing before God, and God, he was like, but I can't speak.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:And God didn't say, well, go get some speaking coaches and go get the therapy for everything you experience in Egypt and all that before you can go, no, he said, let's go.
Speaker A:Matter of fact, he called him in the fact when God called Moses, the bush was burning.
Speaker A:I think he almost may need therapy for that, because who not be crazy or at least think they're crazy if they're seeing a burning bush with a voice coming out of it.
Speaker A:But even so, the reality of it is is God didn't tell him he needed to therapy for a while or speaking coach.
Speaker A:God said, go, and I'm with you and just speak.
Speaker A:Now, I am very much big on therapy.
Speaker A:I have a therapist and I'm big on speaking coaches.
Speaker A:I coach speaking a lot of times.
Speaker A:But you don't need those things as a prerequisite to do what God's called you to.
Speaker A:Now, I do say get out there and focus on healing as you go.
Speaker A:So as you're going and trusting God to do the thing, get yourself a therapist if you need it, as you're going.
Speaker A:But that first step should be yes and amen, not hold up and let me go ask.
Speaker A:Let me go get some coaches first.
Speaker A:The second thing is, like, you look at David.
Speaker A:David was in the field, and God called him in the field when he was invisible to the world.
Speaker A:So don't wait.
Speaker A:Don't worry about all.
Speaker A:You need to be out there with all of this pomp and circumstance and you need to go viral.
Speaker A:No, David was basically trained and, and matured in the places where he was invisible.
Speaker A:And God showed up with him on those mountains and he wrote psalms and he became this king.
Speaker A:So you realize that in the places where you feel invisible, God is shaping you for when you become visible.
Speaker A:Just go out and do what God's calling you to do.
Speaker A:Let me tell you this last story.
Speaker A:I remember when I was pastoring, I pastored for a while.
Speaker A:It was a church plant.
Speaker A:And I remember sitting in my prayer time and I said, God, I said, hey, do you.
Speaker A:You know, you could have called anyone more qualified than I.
Speaker A:Like, I struggled with this a lot.
Speaker A:This was the first time I ever pastored.
Speaker A:I said, there are so many people that are more qualified.
Speaker A:I said, do you see my life?
Speaker A:Do you see what's happening behind the scenes?
Speaker A:There's just too much going on.
Speaker A:You could pick anyone.
Speaker A:And I felt the Holy Spirit say to me, he says, you're right, I could have.
Speaker A:He said, but I didn't pick anyone because I picked you.
Speaker A:And even though there were more qualified people, I'm not interested in their qualifications.
Speaker A:I'm interested in you becoming qualified in the place I've put you.
Speaker A:So it really comes back to this place, is God could have called anybody, but God chose you for what you're doing.
Speaker A:So start acting like it.
Speaker A:Take that on, grab that, hold that, make that part of you and move into it.
Speaker A:Stop acting like it belongs to someone else.
Speaker A:It's your own anointing, your assignment.
Speaker A:Grab it, hold it, and move in it.
Speaker A:Because here's what you and I need to understand.
Speaker A:It's the very things that make you, you know, the very things that we're going through is what makes you relatable, what makes you credible, what makes you powerful in the eyes of the people you're called to reach.
Speaker A:Your message is the soil where your mission grows roots.
Speaker A:So don't discharge your message as if it's nothing but, or it's just, you know, you want to hide it.
Speaker A:Be proud of what God's doing in the midst of it and how God is redeeming your story.
Speaker A:That's really what it comes down.
Speaker A:So as a reminder, you don't have to be healed to be helpful.
Speaker A:You don't have to be perfect to be powerful.
Speaker A:You don't have to be fully ready to be radically obedient.
Speaker A:You don't have to have it all together to be successful in whatever way you define success.
Speaker A:You just have to be faithful and you have to show up.
Speaker A:God isn't looking for your perfection.
Speaker A:He's looking for your participation.
Speaker A:He's not looking for you to be hyper qualified.
Speaker A:He's just looking for you to be available.
Speaker A:Let that all sink in.
Speaker A:And if that's you, I could just tell you, that's enough.
Speaker A:You are enough.
Speaker A:Just show up and say, yes, God, Amen, God, and let's move forward and move it in perfectly and just do it.
Speaker A:Just do it.
Speaker A:And so, with that being said, if this all hit home, I want to invite you to join the mailing list where there's four, a little over 400 people on this mailing list.
Speaker A:I'm going to send you information that isn't found in in these episodes.
Speaker A:It's just extra deep dives.
Speaker A:Maybe some biblical understanding on how to be an entrepreneur in business, in life, as a creator, if you want to get in there.
Speaker A:Www.leadwithjim.com forward/nl for newsletter that's pretty clever, right?
Speaker A:It will be in the show notes, so you could just make it a little clicky click and then head over there and drop your info in it and let's be friends.
Speaker A:So for that being said, keep leading, keep creating.
Speaker A:Even if it's messy, because that's what you're called to.
Speaker A:So show up, show out, and let God show through you.
