Episode 39

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Published on:

21st May 2025

Stop Trying to Impress Everyone—Here’s What to Do Instead

🎯 In This Episode, You’ll Discover:

  • Why chasing approval sabotages your authority
  • How to reframe success around internal health, not external hype
  • The danger of tying identity to income or image
  • A two-step roadmap for building deep, lasting impact


📝 Episode Summary


We’ve been taught to chase influence by being impressive. But what if the real breakthrough doesn’t come from the applause—but from the inner work we’ve avoided?

In this bold and personal episode, Jim Burgoon dismantles the toxic hustle culture and invites you to stop performing for people who don’t care and start transforming lives with authentic impact. Drawing from his own story—ministry scars, leadership wounds, and a long-overdue internal commitment—Jim outlines a new definition of success rooted in internal health and legacy-level purpose.

This one’s not about performance. It’s about permission.


💡 Key Insights from Jim


  • Impression vs. Impact
  • Impressing others feeds your ego. Impacting others feeds your legacy.
  • Success ≠ Worth
  • Six-figure launches mean nothing if you're miserable. Internal victory > External applause.
  • Commitment Starts with You
  • Waiting for permission is a trap. Growth begins when you decide to show up.
  • Your Circle Shapes You
  • The right people challenge and lift. The wrong people drain and distract.


✝️ Faith Connection


Jesus didn’t chase status—He focused on mission. He impacted people by walking in identity, not image. What does it profit you to gain the world but lose your soul? (Mark 8:36)


🎨 Multipassionate Application


For Christian creatives juggling many callings, this episode reminds you: impact doesn’t require perfection or polished personas. It requires alignment. Start where you are—commit inwardly, and the clarity and clients will come.


❓ Reflection Question


Where are you still performing for approval instead of building with purpose?


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Transcript
Speaker A:

Welcome to Online Business for Christian Creatives, the show that helps you build a business that honors God, fuels your creativity and actually pays the bills.

Speaker A:

I'm your host, Jim Burgoon, leadership coach, Faith first, entrepreneur, and a guy who's made just about every mistake so you don't have to.

Speaker A:

Let's get into it.

Speaker B:

Welcome to the show.

Speaker B:

Today we're going to dive into a specific and top topic that surrounds success.

Speaker B:

And I think that we have been told or taught to measure success in a way that isn't too healthy, in a way that's meant to be.

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We're more into the place of trying to impress people instead of impacting people.

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And I think in this particular realm, when we're trying to impress, I think we, we have this external focus on what success is versus an internal focus of I'm here to impact you, to add value to you, to make your life better than what it was before I showed up.

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And these are not arrogant statements, but these are statements of, hey, let's work to increase the impact and increase the experience that we're having.

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Instead of me coming in or you coming in.

Speaker B:

And let's impress everyone around us because here's the deal.

Speaker B:

We're going to try to impress people that don't even like us, or maybe if they do like us, they're not going to listen to us.

Speaker B:

We're in rooms oftentimes speaking to entrepreneurs where we're trying to impress people who are also trying to impress people.

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And all they want, a lot of these guys do is want you to buy their stuff as you may want them to buy your stuff.

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And so I think we need to change the dynamics of the way we approach this.

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We approach being in rooms full of people, of entrepreneurs, of your ideal audience, and stop trying to impress them with your words and creating impact in the their life.

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And we're going to do this because we got to ask the question, what are we really chasing?

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What are we really chasing?

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Because we live in a culture that dec that really defines success by the external results.

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We hear things like, have you made six figures this year?

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Had you made seven figures?

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And we hear this a lot.

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And ever if you make this post on Facebook or other places, you have all these people who are celebrating, yeah, you made six figures, you did this.

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Yeah, you got the goal, you got the 2 comma club award or whatever cultural thing that you're in.

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We oftentimes hear I got the thing and we celebrate the thing.

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But how often do you hear in the.

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Especially in the entrepreneurial space where the person comes in and says, I've gained breakthrough or victory over this insecurity so that I can stand in front of you and talk to you.

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We don't usually when somebody makes a post like that, it's crickets.

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Because somewhere along the line we were designed or we were taught, or we were.

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You can even call it manipulated or just bad toxic conditioning that we were.

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Say that if the breakthrough is somehow less than the six figures.

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But what if I told you it doesn't matter how much money you have or what external thing that you've created in your life, if you can enjoy it?

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And I think we need to reverse these things and start focusing on the inner transformation that makes true sustainable success and not just the momentary blips.

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Because if we're real, if we're honest, there's portions in our lives where we say, oh, I made six figures.

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And we may or may not know how we did that.

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We like, oh, I did this thing and everybody just loved it.

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But then you can't recreate it.

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Then what?

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Or you could be on the other side of this and be like, wow, I have this breakthrough.

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I'm less perfectionist because I oftentimes myself call myself a recovering perfectionist.

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Like, I'm less perfectionist, I'm less people pleasing, or I'm more secure to stand on stage and talk to you when.

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Why do we not see that as the greater thing?

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Because what's internal comes external.

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Yet we focus on the external, hoping that it'll define the internal.

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And if we do that, what happens when the external goes away?

Speaker B:

We suddenly are now chasing the external.

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And if it goes away, we no longer can identify ourselves.

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We no longer have this thing.

Speaker B:

And this is a thing that's been around for a while.

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Honestly, when I was a new.

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Let me tell you a story.

Speaker B:

When I was a new leader, when I was very young, and I've been doing leadership now probably for over 20 years as a profession now.

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I've been in leadership since I was a kid.

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In different spots, you get elected to the student council through the years and just different things like that.

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I had a lot of spots in band leadership, Triad, music, honor society, all of those things.

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And maybe you have too.

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But when I say I've been in leadership for 20 years, this means that I have been in some level of leadership in inside an organization.

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For me, much of that was inside the church.

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I was a church pastor for about 15 years.

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Outside, I've worked for other organizations.

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I've been in leadership in schools, just different things, Right.

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So I've been in leadership and leadership development, and I'm a certified leadership development coach.

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I have been for the better part of 20 years now.

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And so I remember when I was a young leader, I was like such.

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Such a new, like they say, green behind the ears kind of leader.

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And I look back on this moment because this was a definitive thing that taught me a lot of stuff about the toxicity of hustle culture, the toxicity of many leaders.

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I've had breakfast with this one leader.

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I'm gonna.

Speaker B:

I'm getting to tell you this story, but I want to pretext it, but says he's not the only one I've met over the last 20 years like this.

Speaker B:

I've met more of this particular guy than I haven't.

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So let me get into the story.

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The story.

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Like, I sat down, I was so excited.

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I was brand new pastoring.

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This was a brand new church.

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I'm basically thrust into leadership in this capacity.

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And I was like, let me get connected with people who do this.

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And if I was to mention his name, you, you would probably know it.

Speaker B:

If you've been in anywhere in the past, pastoral ministry type leadership thing, you would know the name.

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And I said, so he agreed.

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And I was so excited because he had one of the largest growing churches in the area.

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He was a very high charismatic pastor.

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So we're sitting down there and we're eating.

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We're just eating and we're talking.

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And he asked me some questions and I'm answering.

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And then he asked me a question that really caused me to have to be real.

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And I told him, and I sat there and I said, hey, listen, I'm new to all of this and I'm harboring some insecurities.

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Now, at the time, I didn't know.

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I had a lot of trauma growing up, so I didn't know how to communicate a lot of that.

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But I just shared simply, I'm insecure.

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I feel like I'm out of my league and out of my death.

Speaker B:

Now, if you're a leader worth your salt, you can actually come back and say several things.

Speaker B:

What could have been said, hey, we've all been there.

Speaker B:

Here's what you do to get through that.

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Or I know you're new to.

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This will pass.

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Just keep working on yourself.

Speaker B:

Work on the inner game.

Speaker B:

So the external game is good, right?

Speaker B:

Because everything external comes from internal, or at least that's how it should work.

Speaker B:

But here's the problem is that's not what was said.

Speaker B:

This guy Put down his fork.

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He looked at me and he said, I don't find you attractive any longer.

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As he said.

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And then he went on, he says, as a matter of fact, I find you so less attractive as a leader that I don't even want to finish this conversation over breakfast with you.

Speaker B:

You can talk to my assistant.

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And this.

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And I'm just sitting here with flabbergasted.

Speaker B:

I'm like, oh, my gosh, what just happened?

Speaker B:

Number one, dude missed a huge opportunity.

Speaker B:

Number two, I just shared I'm feeling insecure.

Speaker B:

And he just modified or amplified that insecurities to a max.

Speaker B:

Oh, my gosh, I am not worthy.

Speaker B:

Because again, when you're living in insecurity, things just get crazy.

Speaker B:

I'm 20 years later, been doing a lot of internal work.

Speaker B:

I don't think the same way, but I really thought about that.

Speaker B:

And the assistant and I were just chatting, but it was an awkward meal.

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At the end.

Speaker B:

He never actually said another word.

Speaker B:

It was like 20 minutes in, he finished his food, got on the phone, got up, and he walked out like nothing was ever said to me.

Speaker B:

And I've never heard from him since.

Speaker B:

And so.

Speaker B:

And that's okay.

Speaker B:

I'm not.

Speaker B:

I've been out of the past pastoring ministry for about eight years.

Speaker B:

And in entrepreneurship, where God called me, but it was like, wow, this just shows that there are a lot of gaps in what we consider success, what we consider healthy success.

Speaker B:

And instead of being a leader or basically church planners or entrepreneurs, but instead of being a leader worth their salt and saying, hey, I've been there too.

Speaker B:

Let me give you a few things on how to get past this journey.

Speaker B:

It was, you don't excite me.

Speaker B:

You're nothing to me.

Speaker B:

I don't want you around me.

Speaker B:

So I'm not even going to give my energy to talk to you.

Speaker B:

And instead of taking the mentor role, he just took the selfish role.

Speaker B:

And now we can argue, was there narcissistic tendencies and all this stuff?

Speaker B:

It doesn't matter.

Speaker B:

What matters is, at the time, I'm an insecure leader trying to be honest so that I can grow, meeting a leader who only wanted them to, only wanted the other leader to be excited and to have all of these things figured out so that he can be the leader that takes you to the next level.

Speaker B:

And all I was looking for was a mentor.

Speaker B:

And it's just.

Speaker B:

It's a picture of the.

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How unhealthy the world of entrepreneurship and the world of leadership is.

Speaker B:

And it don't matter because you're a leader in many different things.

Speaker B:

Entrepreneur, ministry, all this leaders are leaders in all different areas.

Speaker B:

And it comes down to the thing which tells me, and I've spoken to hundreds and coached hundreds of leaders by this time and entrepreneurs and been in my other podcast, which is Grace and the Grind, where I interview a lot of entrepreneurs for that show.

Speaker B:

And it taught me that the going thing out there is this lack of focus on internal health, on this internal thing.

Speaker B:

It's like there's no focus.

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It's only what you can create and what you can produce.

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There is no anything about who you are.

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And everything that you create is coming from who you are, not what you produce, right?

Speaker B:

You should not be putting your whole identity on your results.

Speaker B:

You should not put your whole stake everything on your results.

Speaker B:

Because we all want to build something great, right?

Speaker B:

We all want to build something great.

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But are we willing to put in the work to become someone great?

Speaker B:

Because long after the business fades, you will have to live with yourself.

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When you're not producing the same results, you're still going to be with you.

Speaker B:

So we want to be actually building ourselves to be great, not just building something great, because out of the greatness of who we are, we create.

Speaker B:

And so many of us are chasing external success and chasing external all these external things at the cost of internal emptiness.

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Or we lose or lack our tie to fulfillment because we're chasing the external instead of building the internal.

Speaker B:

And we want to build a great name.

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But the problem is, if you don't build a great life with a great name, then you won't have a life to enjoy when your name becomes big and P.

Speaker B:

And even the Bible says, what is it if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul in the process, Is that really successful?

Speaker B:

And then it also brings up another question where we have to get in is this whole idea of I want to be the best version of myself.

Speaker B:

I hate that statement.

Speaker B:

It sounds good, it's motivational.

Speaker B:

But what do you measure that in?

Speaker B:

How do you get to this place of objective growth in that?

Speaker B:

Because what I know is that if I'm going to be the best version of myself, then I have to have an understanding of my identity.

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And in my identity, I've got to know what the best version of that identity, the fullness of that identity is.

Speaker B:

And the challenge is over the number of people that I've coached or chatted with.

Speaker B:

Most people struggle with that core thing of identity.

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We don't know who we are.

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And if we don't know who we are.

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How do we know to be the best version of who we are if we can't figure out who we are?

Speaker B:

Now, for you guys, some of you guys who do know who, you're already ahead of the game, because the majority does not.

Speaker B:

And so I want to just challenge you a little bit as we talk through this podcast is I want to challenge with you is that it's exhausting and to try to measure something that's immeasurable, it's exhausting to try to be the best version of yourself when the goal post keeps always changing.

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Think about that.

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If I make it to be the best version of myself, then that goal post has to shift because I'm not truly the best version of myself.

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I'm just the best version in that moment.

Speaker B:

So the goal post shift and I'm always chasing goal post.

Speaker B:

So I'm going to challenge you and shift this.

Speaker B:

In our definition of success and going from impression to impacting is to be the healthiest version of yourself.

Speaker B:

Now, healthy is measurable.

Speaker B:

I can measure the quality of my relationships and measure if I want certain types of things in my relationships or to remove certain things, to have certain types of people or remove certain types of people, I can measure my emotional, my physical, my mental health.

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I can measure those things.

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So if I'm the healthiest version of myself, I'm ultimately going to be the best version of myself.

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Because the difference really comes in is when you're chasing after, you know, this impactful success, however you define success is that we have something measurable.

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Because what is measurable, a framework of growth can be put on it.

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And what a framework of growth can be put upon, we can create a roadmap on how to get there.

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And the goalposts don't move.

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When I get to the healthiest version of myself, we become, we maintain it, right?

Speaker B:

We maintain the healthiest version of ourself.

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We can maintain.

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Now do we can always redefine and what's more healthy, but there's a goal that stays, and that's what I say.

Speaker B:

So I challenge you to be the healthiest version of yourself, not the big, not the best version of yourself.

Speaker B:

And so inner growth is what we're really talking about, inner growth versus external growth.

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Now, we all want external growth.

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So this is not a conversation that says, listen, don't go after externals.

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No, please make your six figures, make your seven figures.

Speaker B:

I want to make six, seven figures.

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I want to do certain things in my business, in my life, in my career.

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So go after those things, but build in a healthy way to where the external can support or the internal can support the external.

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You're building.

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And we do this in two ways.

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Now, as a preacher, which I find so funny, a former preacher, I don't preach anymore, but a former pastor, I always want three points and four closings.

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Right?

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You get those.

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But as a podcaster and a leader, I'm going to give you two quick things on how to build those internal growth and just.

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And we're going to close out from there.

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So the first thing is we got to have a commitment to ourselves, right?

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You don't need permission from others to chase your dreams.

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I don't know where we got this thing where I need somebody's external permission to chase my internal dreams.

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You just need a commitment to yourself and give yourself the permission we need.

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If you're waiting for validation, you aren't really committed to yourself.

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Now, we want encouragement.

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We need encouragement.

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But having external validation to give us the permission to chase our dreams.

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Because here's the reality.

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Those people's dreams are not your dreams.

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And they may never catch the vision of your dream.

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And if they never catch the vision of their dream, how can they validate what they don't see?

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And if they can't validate what they don't see, then they're going to give you information or validation or permission based on what they can see.

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And what they can see may be less than what you're seeing.

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So we've got to be truly committed to ourselves.

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And because here's the reality, you are not stuck.

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We get into this conversation that you're stuck.

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You're simply committed to a pattern of behavior that helped you in the past but is now holding you back.

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So the pattern of behavior you committed to, you've stuck with you weld it.

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And you're not committing yourself to grow.

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You're not committing yourself to get out of your comfort zone.

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You're not committing to yourself to get forward momentum going.

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But you want to just stay in these patterns and wonder why you're stuck.

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You're not stuck.

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You're just not committed to the version of yourself that needs to happen in order to go past what happened.

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The old version of yourself that got you to survive is no longer needed.

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And we need to have the funeral.

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We need to put them to rest and allow the new version of ourselves to be born.

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And in that version, we give ourselves the permission to go after your dreams and we stop waiting on others to give us the permission.

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And because I'll be real with you too.

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This is something I struggle with.

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nstance, I was in December of:

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to this podcast, December of:

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I have a business coach my coach mentioned.

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He said, hey, this is coach such and such.

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And anytime somebody introduces themselves as coach such and such, if they've never used that as an introduction, what's about get heavy, there's going to be a cutting happening.

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And so basically what he says, when are you going to commit to yourself?

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And at first, deep down, I was like, I, I was, I am committed to myself because we have excuses, right?

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Or we call excuses reasons as justifications to stay out of the showing up.

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But there's.

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The problem is our reasoning are ours.

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This is really a deception, a self deception to keep us from growth, to keep us safe, to keep us small, to keep us demure.

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We want to grow.

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So I, at first I started that and he laughed and I was like, yeah.

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And I was like, you're right, I've been hiding.

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And this is what I told him.

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I said, I thought this was a really interesting insight.

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I said, I've been hiding behind planning.

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And we get into these things as entrepreneurs.

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What's your ideal client?

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What's your business model?

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What's your product?

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What's your funnels?

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We build all these things behind the scenes, but what we don't do is we don't ever let it out to the public until we're done.

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We don't ever let it out to the public until it's perfect.

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Especially if you're a multi passionate, creative like I am and you're trying to make everything right so you don't get rejected.

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And I was like, yeah, I was hiding behind things that looked good but didn't serve me well.

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And I said, you know what?

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So I made the decision.

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I said, yes, we're going to do the thing.

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I was going to be committed to myself.

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And he asked me a question.

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He said, are you really going to be committed to yourself?

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And I said, yes.

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It's the first time in my life since I was 12 that I said yes to that.

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When I was 12, I had three to four businesses running 12, 13 years old.

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I had.

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My mom said some things that really rocked me.

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And in a future episode I'm going to go over some of that, but it really just warped my mindset and I quit for 30 years.

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So now at this point, with the statement of me, my coach, I, I'm accepting what I was running from for 30 years and, or yes, I'm like 30, 35 years.

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And so I said, yes, I'm going to do it.

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And it wasn't lip service.

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So instead of going back to the planning, I said, what can I do first?

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So I got myself a therapist because I'm going to deal with the issues that, that I'm dealing with.

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The ptsd, the simia, the things that I'm dealing with.

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So I got myself a therapist.

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I upped my journaling in my Bible because I read my bible all the time.

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But now I'm journaling again.

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I quit for a few years, but now I'm back to journaling.

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I started doing the internal things.

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I'm having my coaches, the conversations.

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I'm challenging myself on deep levels.

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And then I started get doing some external things because remember, everything goes from the internal to the external.

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So now I launched my first offer in two years, and that's another podcast episode of how I got to that place.

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Because I had launched multiple offers before.

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Some trauma happened, then a bunch of trauma happened, I quit and.

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And now I'm back to this thing.

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So I launched this offer.

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So I got an offer, launch.

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And in the same span of things, so I'm journaling, I'm doing the internal work.

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I get invited on five or six podcasts, I get invited on two virtual summits.

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pening, has happened in March:

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And so all of these things are happening and I'm.

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And people are starting to request me, request my services again.

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And I said the definitive time was that I said yes to me.

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I didn't wait for permission.

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I gave myself permission.

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I started working internally and then I started launching externally.

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And I didn't have to work at it.

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I didn't have to make it happen.

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It just started happening.

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I was like, wow, God, thank you so much for aligning these things.

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And all it did was waiting for me to show up.

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And so the second.

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And that's the first thing.

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So the second thing it says, surround yourself really with the right people.

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And so it's giving yourself permission and getting the right people.

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Because if you want to do the deep inner work, you need the right people around you, period.

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There's no way to ever do anything beyond that because who you are becoming is directly influenced by who you put around you.

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The law of the inner circle for you John Maxwell fans, you know, the Five people around you is who you become.

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Right?

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We've seen that and I think science has even gone through that and tried to see that as well.

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It's basically be very careful of who you put in your inner circle because that's who you're going to become, right?

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Because it directly influences you.

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And the right people will challenge you.

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They'll challenge you to think bigger, they'll challenge you to keep going when you want to quit.

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They'll hold you accountable.

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But the wrong people, they keep you thinking small, they push you back to giving up.

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They'll, they're just yes people.

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They'll, they'll disguise things of helping you, but they're really self serving and you want the right people in your life because the right people make the difference.

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The wrong people hold you back.

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So we need to start looking at all of our relationships and saying if I'm going to be healthy internally, then I've got to start looking at my relationships and deciding who's not healthy for me.

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It's not that they're bad people, but who's not healthy for me.

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Because again, we're devoted to being the most healthiest person in our lives and we start removing people that aren't healthy for us.

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We just do.

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And one of the biggest questions we get is what if it's a mom or something?

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Then we go low contact, right?

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I use this, the illustration of a chair, which I find such a refreshing illustration.

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And the illustration of the chair is if you were to get somebody on a chair and some.

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And I was standing below the chair and they were going to just imagine this because you're hearing this on the podcast and you get the person on the chair and you want them to, you want to ask them because obviously set this up, pull them down and watch how easy it is for them to step off that chair.

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Now have that person get.

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And imagine this in your mind.

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Have that person or even try it with your family or whoever you're sitting with, have that person get back up the chair and, and have them try to pull you up to.

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On the chair with you.

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Which one was easier?

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What was easier was if I reach up and pull down.

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That took barely any effort.

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But what was harder is if I reached up and they pulled up.

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That took effort.

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And that is exactly what happens in life.

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It's easier to pull someone down than to lift them up.

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So we have to have people, lifters in our lives who are going to lift us up.

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As we lift them up, we've got to be our People lifter as well.

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Not a people puller.

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Downer.

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That's my own terminology.

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Pull a downer.

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So who's in your circle and are they pulling you up or dragging you down?

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Because your inner circle shapes your world and so choose wisely.

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And as we close out this thing, let's bring this full circle.

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Let's bring to a place where we understand that we're trying to impact people, not impress them, because we don't want to.

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We don't care.

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We should stop caring or care less about what we're trying to do to make people like us and start focusing on what we're going to do to make people's lives better, to make them different, to bring transformation.

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So I'm going to give you two challenges.

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Number one is here's a question.

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These are two questions.

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Journal about them, speak them to yourself, whatever.

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Who are you surrounding yourself with and what internal work do you need to start doing and start focusing on in order to make the shifts?

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Use those as your guides.

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Because when you stop chasing validation and permission and start building something real, you create lasting impact that's fulfilling and it's gonna be.

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It's gonna outlast your business, it's gonna outlast everything else.

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Because long after the emotion in the business is gone, the work inside remains.

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And with that being said, you can find me on mostly any platform.

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I would highly suggest you go to www.leadwithjim.com.

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there are three guides on there you can pick up, they're free.

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Or you can go in and connect with the My socials, my other podcast.

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I would love to chat with you.

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Let me know if there's anything, any questions you have on this episode.

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I'd love to dive some deeper in a future episode.

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And with that being said, that's gonna be it for today.

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And if this.

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So if this episode spoke to you, do me a favor, share it with someone who needs to hear it.

Speaker B:

And then if you're ready to stop impressing and start impacting, let's connect, let's talk, have some conversation, let's get it going.

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If you're on whatever, if you're on YouTube, drop some comments, hit the follow button or hit the subscribe.

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If you're listening is on one of the podcast providers, hit the follow.

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Let's continue a conversation.

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Please reach out and I would love to be able to answer your questions as we move forward.

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And thanks for hanging out.

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And with that, we'll see you on a future episode.

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Sam.

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About the Podcast

Online Business for Christian Creatives
The podcast for faith-driven creators who want to grow their audience, income, and impact—with God at the center.
Feel called to create, lead, and build something meaningful—but feel scattered, stuck, or spiritually off track? You’re not alone.

This podcast is for faith-driven creatives ready to grow a business online without losing their soul in the process. Hosted by leadership coach and multipassionate entrepreneur Jim Burgoon, each episode equips you to clarify your calling, grow your authority, and build a purpose-led business that actually works.

Whether you’re starting fresh or pivoting with purpose, you’ll learn how to:

Find focus as a multipassionate Christian

Grow your online presence through podcasting, content, and personal development

Build influence with simple systems and leadership growth

Step into strategic and spiritual alignment as a Kingdom-minded entrepreneur

New episodes drop weekly—featuring teaching, real talk, and honest conversations designed to help you lead with faith and live with impact.

👋 It’s time to stop overthinking and start building—with God at the center of it all.

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